Laaltain

News, Views and Satire: Interview with Fasi Zaka

10 ستمبر، 2013

Fasi-Zaka
Fasi Zaka is a tele­vi­sion host, satirist, polit­i­cal colum­nist, radio talk show host, music crit­ic, aca­d­e­m­ic and Rhodes Schol­ar in Pak­istan. He is rec­og­nized for being one of the few media poly­maths in Pak­istan with a suc­cess­ful pres­ence in print, tele­vi­sion and radio. He is a pub­lic intel­lec­tu­al who employs humor from a polit­i­cal and demo­c­ra­t­ic per­spec­tive in his media for­ays. Because of this exten­sive pres­ence, he was declared one of Pak­istan’s news­mak­ers of the year in 2006.

Laal­tain: Through your writ­ings you have been a source of guid­ance to the stu­dents. How was your own stu­dent life?

Fasi: It was a mixed bag. I don’t look at all parts of my edu­ca­tion­al his­to­ry fond­ly. I did very poor­ly in my F.Sc. and found life very awk­ward at that stage. I guess edu­ca­tion­al­ly the real­ly pos­i­tive times I remem­ber was when I was doing my BA from Edwardes Col­lege in Peshawar. I had a lot of free time then to read and I dis­cov­ered my intel­lec­tu­al pas­sions then, plus the friends I made at that stage were great, like me they have slipped from the grind of F.sc into an uncer­tain future. I enjoyed my time in my MBA at Peshawar Uni­ver­si­ty too, some great teach­ers who real­ly inspired me to do bet­ter for myself.

Laal­tain: How did you suc­ceed in win­ning Rhodes schol­ar­ship and how was the whole expe­ri­ence of study­ing in Oxford?

Fasi: I guess the Rhodes schol­ar­ship came down to luck. Many of the peo­ple I was in com­pe­ti­tion with in the inter­views were bril­liant, and there was lit­tle to sep­a­rate us. But it was a life chang­ing expe­ri­ence for me. There is no sub­sti­tute for meet­ing peo­ple of dif­fer­ent races and places. That inter­na­tion­al­ized some of my per­spec­tives, and also opened up my inter­est in dif­fer­ent areas of aca­d­e­mics through the friends I made. Also, it helped me think of my coun­try in a dif­fer­ent way, it removed me from it for the first time so I could reflect on what I want­ed as a Pak­istani.

One major prob­lem in Pak­istan is access to edu­ca­tion, it is denied to too many peo­ple. But even those who receive one unfor­tu­nate­ly do not end up crit­i­cal thinkers, some­thing we des­per­ate­ly need in these times.

Laal­tain: When and how did your pro­fes­sion­al life start?

Fasi: I start­ed teach­ing at uni­ver­si­ty right after my MBA before I went to Oxford, and when I fin­ished up I went back to the Insti­tute of Man­age­ment Sci­ences (IMSciences) in Peshawar to teach under­grad­u­ate and post­grad­u­ate stu­dents. It was one of the best parts of my work life. In the media it start­ed by chance when Zee­shan Par­wez and I start­ed On the Fringe for Indus Music (lat­er MTV), and from there on radio and writ­ing.

Laal­tain: You grad­u­at­ed in edu­ca­tion pol­i­cy but chose to work more in media. How would you relate the both fields?

Fasi: Well, teach­ing at its most basic lev­el is about com­mu­ni­ca­tion. And all com­mu­ni­ca­tions trans­mit infor­ma­tion or under­stand­ing so both are entwined. I chose media and com­mu­ni­ca­tions even­tu­al­ly when I real­ized I want­ed a larg­er remit to work on, and the media encap­su­lates that rather than sec­tor spe­cif­ic work in edu­ca­tion.

Laal­tain: What do you think about the edu­ca­tion­al cur­ricu­lum in Pak­istan? Does it ful­fill needs of mod­ern time?

It is our unwill­ing­ness to address those who hijack reli­gion for polit­i­cal and pow­er pur­pos­es. The lack of oppor­tu­ni­ties and regard for mer­it cre­ates despon­den­cy, and this is all per­va­sive. When one can’t see a future, they start to mythol­o­gize a new soci­ety they think will come from the ash­es of vio­lence. It’s a short cut with dev­as­tat­ing results.

Fasi: Yes and no. The essence of what is taught is com­pa­ra­ble to the rest of the world, but not how it is taught and eval­u­at­ed. Infor­ma­tion repro­duc­tion is thought of as the cen­tral aim, not think­ing and eval­u­at­ing that infor­ma­tion. Some social sci­ence sub­jects at school lev­el are taught atro­cious­ly because they serve to make Pak­ista­nis servile with a false sense of his­to­ry. One major prob­lem in Pak­istan is access to edu­ca­tion, it is denied to too many peo­ple. But even those who receive one unfor­tu­nate­ly do not end up crit­i­cal thinkers, some­thing we des­per­ate­ly need in these times.

Laal­tain: What helped you most to become so cre­ative, pro­duc­tive and build such a rep­u­ta­tion in media?

Fasi: Well, thanks for putting it that way, but unfor­tu­nate­ly I don’t think that is true. In Pakistan’s media I am but a foot­note. But the pro­duc­tiv­i­ty across dif­fer­ent areas is due to my ten­den­cy to feel bored and depressed if I have lit­tle to do, which is why I work across medi­ums. I still have a long way to go before I can claim to have legit­i­mate pres­ence.

Lin­guis­tic apartheid has helped cre­ate two nations in Pak­istan, each of whom holds rad­i­cal­ly dif­fer­ent views on the same top­ics in the news at any moment because the two lan­guages are report­ing them dif­fer­ent­ly.

Laal­tain: You are well aware of devel­op­ments of last decade in Pakistan’s media espe­cial­ly that of elec­tron­ic. How do you view it in a broad­er per­spec­tive?

Fasi: Good and bad. The media has served the inter­ests of the dis­en­fran­chised well in some respects; it brings account­abil­i­ty that does not exist some­times in con­stituen­cies between those who vote and the elect­ed. How­ev­er, it undo’s its good by allow­ing hate mon­gers on TV that have reduced it to repro­duc­ing unin­formed opin­ion and dam­ag­ing efforts at pop­ulism.

Laal­tain: What do you think what sort of cir­cum­stances you could have been fac­ing today if what­ev­er you have writ­ten so far were in Urdu instead of Eng­lish?

Fasi: Well, I have per­son­al­ly tried. I had an agree­ment with a news­pa­per that all my Eng­lish columns be trans­lat­ed into Urdu, but the edi­tor rejects all my columns say­ing it will cre­ate uproar. I don’t think that’s as true today as it once was, but people’s appre­hen­sions haven’t caught up yet with chang­ing cir­cum­stances. But yes, if the peo­ple read what was being said in Eng­lish there are chances of reprisals. This lin­guis­tic apartheid has helped cre­ate two nations in Pak­istan, each of whom holds rad­i­cal­ly dif­fer­ent views on the same top­ics in the news at any moment because the two lan­guages are report­ing them dif­fer­ent­ly.

Laal­tain: Your efforts to counter right­ist jin­go­ist nar­ra­tive in Pak­istan have been impres­sive. How would you mea­sure the lev­el of your suc­cess?

Fasi: Not much. I think it’s helped open the atmos­phere in cri­tiquing the media in some very small way because there are oth­ers who are doing the same, but the real pow­er base lies in tele­vi­sion now with talk shows, which unfor­tu­nate­ly are doing the oppo­site.

Laal­tain: What main fac­tors accord­ing to you have con­tributed to the increas­ing extrem­ist ten­den­cies among Pak­istani youth?

Change will not come from a rad­i­cal rev­o­lu­tion, but incre­men­tal steps. Start with clean­ing their street, with rais­ing their voice if some­one cuts in line, respect­ing a red traf­fic light even if there is no traf­fic. These small things will build the social cap­i­tal we need to be a more just and effec­tive soci­ety.

Fasi: Pri­mar­i­ly it is our unwill­ing­ness to address those who hijack reli­gion for polit­i­cal and pow­er pur­pos­es. The lack of oppor­tu­ni­ties and regard for mer­it cre­ates despon­den­cy, and this is all per­va­sive. When one can’t see a future, they start to mythol­o­gize a new soci­ety they think will come from the ash­es of vio­lence. It’s a short cut with dev­as­tat­ing results.

Laal­tain: What is the his­to­ry of social satire in Pak­istan? What place it has in the cur­rent sce­nario? And what advan­tages it has over oth­er styles?

Fasi: Well, the main­stay of great social satire has been PTV in Pakistan’s his­to­ry. It’s remark­able that oth­er than their pro­pa­gan­dist Khabar­na­ma, the work in enter­tain­ment has been of incred­i­bly high qual­i­ty, it’s been art that has stood the test of time with pro­grams like Kaliyaan, 50:50 and oth­ers. Since then there have been many, like ‘Hum Sub Umeed Say Hain’ and ‘4Man Show’ who have done a good job amongst many oth­ers. The best part about satire is it is enter­tain­ment; a great point can be dri­ven home with the rapt atten­tion of the view­er or read­er. While the lan­guage is non-seri­ous, the theme cer­tain­ly isn’t. Plus there are a lot of things one can­not say in a main­stream news pro­gram that can be eas­i­ly done via satire.

Laal­tain: What mes­sage do you have for youth to con­tribute pos­i­tive­ly for mak­ing a bet­ter a Pak­istan?

Fasi: I would sug­gest to them that change will not come from a rad­i­cal rev­o­lu­tion, but incre­men­tal steps. Start with clean­ing their street, with rais­ing their voice if some­one cuts in line, respect­ing a red traf­fic light even if there is no traf­fic. These small things will build the social cap­i­tal we need to be a more just and effec­tive soci­ety. And last­ly, accept dif­fer­ent points of view.


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