Rebuttal to the ‘Untold Story of Pashtoons in Balochistan’

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1. writ­ing a rebut­tal of a rebut­tal will def­i­nite­ly take it to a con­fus­ing debate which was not the aim of the first arti­cle But would def­i­nite­ly men­tion the points which are based on dif­fer­en­tial expe­ri­ences by Balochs and pash­toons, I feel endors­ing that pash­toons and balochs have NO issue amongst each oth­er and it is cer­tain­ly a fed­er­al issue to iden­ti­fy the pop­u­la­tions and give defined rights to both Pash­toons and Balochs.

   * The pop­u­la­tion of Pash­toons men­tioned in the arti­cle is tak­en from BISP (bainazeer Income sup­port pro­grams khana shu­mari) con­duct­ed by PPP gov­ern­ment. the data men­tioned in this rebut­tal is based on the assump­tions made by Pak­istan sta­tis­ti­cal year book on the basis of 1997’s fraud elec­tions which gov­ern­ment was not con­duct­ing prop­er cen­sus in major­i­ty of the dense­ly pop­u­lat­ed pash­toon areas. PkMap , pash­toon qau­mi Teheran, pash­toon qau­mi jir­ga and many local coali­tions came on roads and asked for re cen­sus in a prop­er way but when the gov­ern­ment refused, they had No oth­er option but to have a boy­cott of the cen­sus hence it showed very less pop­u­la­tion of pash­toons which is still made ref­er­ence for Elec­toral con­stituen­cies, Admis­sions in pro­fes­sion­al edu­ca­tion­al insti­tu­tions, jobs and Funds.

   the pash­toons dis­tricts are so dense­ly pop­u­lat­ed that this gov­ern­ment (If act­ed seri­ous­ly) would def­i­nite­ly make almost 4 new pash­toon dis­tricts (duk­ki, mus­lim­bagh + Karezat, Quet­ta Rur­al, Gulis­tan + toba) for admin­is­tra­tive pur­pose.

   **Balochis­tan Gazeti­er, Afghans the fron­tier pass­es and Trikh e Quet­ta will answer all ques­tions about Qta sib­bi and bolan and are very valu­able books for those inter­est­ed in know­ing the real grounds and solv­ing the minor mis­con­cep­tions.

   ***talk­ing about Quet­ta City. which is def­i­nite­ly an amal­gam today because of the migrants from dif­fer­ent Dis­tricts of the province, Quet­ta has got 6 provin­cial assem­bly seats and none is won by baloch in the fairest Elec­tions of the his­to­ry of pak­istan. I do agree that a good num­ber of balochs reside in quet­ta and it’s our mutu­al Home.

   *** answer­ing the rev­enue issue, the Mas­sive busi­ness on chaman board­er, coal of loralai, duk­ki and ziarat, chromite of mus­lim bagh, khanozai and kil­la sai­ful­lah and the fruites of region are great sources of the rev­enue even for pak­istan and the ener­gy sources of pak­istan.

   **** In Cen­sus gov­ern­ment would (must) look for com­put­er­ized NIC which will rule out the mis­con­cep­tion of the sum­ma­tion fac­tor caused by Afghan Refugees.

   THE AIM BEHIND THE FIRST ARTICLE WAS TO LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT PASHTOONS ARE ALSO RESIDING IN THIS PROVINCE as many still call the pash­toons of balochis­tan as (hamare balochi bhai , though their is noth­ing bad being called a baloch but iden­ti­ty mat­ters) AND THE AIM OF THESE ANSWERS IS TO CLEAR MISCONCEPTIONS. BELIEVING IN PEACE AND BROTHERHOOD, I wish Pak­istan to be a fed­er­a­tion of Baloch, pash­toon, sind­hi, Pun­jabi, sir­ai­ki, kash­miri, haz­ara and all oth­ers liv­ing here with Every one accept­ing and respect­ing the oth­er.

   PEACE

2. I always appre­ci­ate dis­sent­ing opin­ion and its good that you wrote a rebut­tal of my Rebut­tal.. But even your rebut­tal is full of flaws and inac­cu­ra­cies…

   1998 cen­sus that shows a low Pash­toon pop­u­la­tion is a fraud and BISP reports which might be show­ing a high Pash­toon pop­u­la­tion is fair. What sort of log­ic is that? There was no prop­er cen­sus for BISP and its data can’t be as authen­tic as a cen­sus and PKMAP and oth­er par­ties protest­ed against 1998 cen­sus because it did­n’t pro­vide the results of their choice.
   Entire Pash­toon belt is equal to size in com­par­i­son to two Baloch dis­tricts of Washuk and Cha­gai. If more dis­tricts have to be made then there is room for many such dis­tricts in Baloch areas as well, lets not for­get that. Any­one who believe is his­tor­i­cal lit­er­a­ture can’t deny the fact that Quet­ta was giv­en by Ahmad Shah Abdali to Khan of Kalat and British took it from Khan.… Lets not dis­tort the his­to­ry please..

   I can’t lit­er­al­ly con­trolled my laugh­ter after read­ing that 2013 elec­tions were fairest in the his­to­ry. These were the most rigged elec­tions in his­to­ry of Pak­istan. On PB5 and PB4 BNP had won but results changed in favour of PKMAP because BNP was sup­pose to lose the elec­tions. Same thing hap­pened in NA260 and NA269. Any­one who believe in ratio­nal­i­ty will not go to the extent of jus­ti­fy­ing a rigged elec­tion to prove his false point.

   Busi­ness on Cham­man bor­der is smug­gling and does­n’t count, Just like mas­sive busi­ness of Taftan bor­der. The coal of chromite of Pash­toon areas is neg­li­gi­ble when com­pared to SUI gas and one can check the finan­cial data.. Plus What about the mas­sive Coast­line and Gwadar port which is con­sid­ered the future of Pak­istan?

   Afghan refugees have been giv­en a lot of CNIC by tak­ing bribe and this needs to be reversed. A fair cen­sus will por­tray a cor­rect pic­ture of the real­i­ty in Balochis­tan.

   I also agree that Pak­istan is a fed­er­a­tion of many nation­al­i­ties. How­ev­er you failed to respond to the racist com­ment that you made that Baloch con­sid­er Haz­aras and Pun­jabis as Invaders and Pash­toon con­sid­er them Guests. I have no idea from where that Idea came because it can’t be tak­en seri­ous­ly by any ratio­nal per­son. In the end I would like to say that you have all the right to express your opin­ion but please don’t retort to Racist state­ments and call­ing a rigged elec­tion fairest…

3. Dear Broth­er. I men­tioned ear­li­er and am men­tion­ing again that I don’t mean to go into an un end­ing debate { though I am sure it is an un end­ing debate until the for­ma­tion of a new province}. No body denies nei­ther did I that baloch dis­tricts cov­er a huge area. com­plete pun­jab can be accom­mo­dat­ed in balochis­tan, does­n’t mean that pun­jab’s pop­u­la­tion should be less as it can be accom­mo­dat­ed in balochis­tan 😛 .
   The his­to­ry of Quet­ta stud­ied by a baloch and the one stud­ied by a Pash­toon is as dif­fer­ent as the his­to­ry of islam after Muham­mad (PBUH) stud­ied by SUNNI and Shia Mus­lims.
   regard­ing Haz­ara broth­ers; even in your rebut­tal, you have used the word set­tlers which clear­ly means they are not con­sid­ered amongst you. and in the edu­ca­tion­al insti­tutes of balochis­tan and even on main roads it’s clear­ly and bold­ly writ­ten (balochis­tan; pun­jabi­oun ka qabris­tan) plz don’t ask me to upload the pic­tures
   ;p and don’t tell me that you don’t know that pun­jabis are killed sev­er­al times by BLA (they have accept­ed the respon­si­bil­i­ty sev­er­al times) recent­ly in much many were iden­ti­fied to be pun­jabis and shot dead lat­er on accepts the respon­si­bil­i­ty proud­ly.

   Pkmap won PB 5 with a huge mar­gin, there is a prop­er elec­tion com­mis­sion in balochis­tan with a Baloch chair­man, Baloch sec­re­tary, Baloch chair­man of elec­tion tri­bunal, with a Baloch attor­ney gen­er­al backed by a baloch CM 😛 .. any body hav­ing any com­plain about the results of PB4 and 5 can go to all of the above men­tioned BALOCH author­i­ties.

   My com­ments are not aimed to hurt some­one so let’s agree to dis­agree 🙂

4. Dear Broth­er: I also hate to con­tin­ue this debate but your com­ments have so far from real­i­ty that I am com­pelled to write back to you.. Baloch have nev­er have any prob­lem with a new province for Pash­toons of Balochis­tan. How­ev­er that new province will face huge prob­lems because it does­n’t have the rev­enue gen­er­a­tors such as Gwadar port, Sui gas, sain­dak etc.…

   As far as Quet­ta has con­cerned, You can study offi­cial doc­u­ments of British gov­ern­ment that from whom Robert Sande­man acquired Quet­ta on Lease? You will get your answer.…

   I think you have not read my rebut­tal prop­er­ly, I have not used the word set­tlers for Haz­aras. I have used it for Pun­jabis because they them­selves call them set­tlers. sec­ond­ly, its a ter­mi­nol­o­gy used in inter­na­tion­al rela­tion fro some­one who has set­tled in dif­fer­ent part of a coun­try. So this does­n’t mean that I don’t con­sid­er them a part of this province. How­ev­er you can only under­stand this if you take off your spec­ta­cles of Bias and irra­tional­i­ty.

   I don’t think you have read my arti­cle prop­er­ly, I have writ­ten that Baloch civ­il soci­ety condemn,n those killings. I nev­er denied those killings by BLA. But they don’t rep­re­sent entire Baloch nation, do they? So all your claims about wall chalk­ings are irrel­e­vant in this case. This still does­n’t jus­ti­fy the racist com­ment that you made in this regard.

   Every­one in PB5 know that BNP was declared win­ner at night of elec­tions but results changed overnight. BNP was sup­posed to lose and that’s what hap­pened. Even from NA260 PKMAP win, There can’t be a big­ger joke than that. IN NA 269 results was with­held for over a month and after a lot of manoeu­vring BNP was made to lose the elec­tion by 58 votes. Any inde­pen­dent per­son can’t call these elec­tions far. These were the most rigged elec­tions in his­to­ry of Pak­istan. Peo­ple in all four provinces have pro­vid­ed many proofs of rig­ging. Every­one knows who call the shots in Balochis­tan and all the Baloch indi­vid­u­als are help­less in this mat­ter. Peo­ple inside Balochis­tan know this real­i­ty very well and I don’t think you can deny it either.

   You are right, we have to agree to dis­agree but please don’t use dis­tort­ed facts to prove your point. I have sym­pa­thy with Pash­toon cause but you are blam­ing the wrong stake­hold­er for their woes…

5. NA 262 includes PB 5 and 6. for your kind infor­ma­tion PB 6 has got the biggest num­ber of vot­ers amongst the rest of quet­ta’s con­stituen­cies… and is a pure pash­toon region… nosh­ki has got more than 58000 reg­is­tered baraich (pash­toon) pop­u­la­tion… like all those who lose elec­tions, every one has the eas­i­est way to call it a dan­dli .

   I don’t know what are your fake and ille­git­i­mate sources who told you that BNP won elec­tion on PB 5 the first night.. there was no announce­ment for 2 days so who announced BNP’s vic­to­ry 😛 .. give me the ref­er­ence of any news chan­nel (any) who showed BNP’s vic­to­ry. I was the observ­er in 2 nation­al and 6 provin­cial con­stituen­cies of Quet­ta so was in polling sta­tions and kachehri on 11th and 12th may and saw all the details before me. SO NO BODY HAS DECLARED BNP’s VICTORY ON FIRST NIGHT.

   BLA does­n’t rep­re­sent baloch ? so who are they ? isn’t Javaid men­gal the broth­er of akhtar men­gal (BNP)??? BLF (baloch lib­er­a­tion front) , BLUF (Baloch lib­er­a­tion Unit­ed front), BRA (Baloch repub­li­can Army), BRP (Baloch Repub­li­can Par­ty) , BAM (balochis­tan Aman mahaz) , BUA (baloch unit­ed Army), BSO (A) (giv­ing rise to many as doc­tor ALLAH NAZAR.. lit­er­al­ly con­duct­ing ref­er­ences for the state want­ed ter­ror­ists and involved in all anti state activ­i­ties in edu­ca­tion­al insti­tutes. If they all Do not rep­re­sent Baloch, who do they rep­re­sent ? they have killed more than 892 pash­toon drivers,conductors and road work­ers in the last 5 years (who dri­ve on karachi to quet­ta rout ) name a sin­gle baloch killed in pash­toon dis­tricts while many trav­el on the lahore and islam­abad rout via quet­ta ?
   All the mem­bers of NP who has accept­ed the vic­to­ry of Pkmap and are OK with every thing do not rep­re­sent Baloch ? Baloch chair­man EC, Baloch sec­re­tary, Baloch chair­man of elec­tion tri­bunal, with a Baloch attor­ney gen­er­al backed by a baloch CM , they don’t rep­re­sent baloch ??? so who actu­al­ly rep­re­sent baloch ????

   I men­tioned and am doing the hon­or again; You will not accept the facts that go against you, nei­ther will I accept the ones that go against me. I cer­tain­ly agree to dis­agree. PEACE

6. I hate to con­tin­ue this debate so this is going to be my last com­ment.….

   Its NA260 and Not 262 that con­tains Pb5 and PB6. I know that.. But This con­stituen­cy also con­tains entire Chaghi, Nosh­ki and Major­i­ty Baloch pop­u­la­tion in PB 5 and con­sid­er­able Baloch pop­u­la­tion in PB6 as well. Now cer­tain­ly Baloch are in con­sid­er­able major­i­ty in this Con­stituen­cy. All the Pash­toon pop­u­la­tion of NA260 (Which is in minor­i­ty) was not sup­port­ing only PMAP. Still PMAP won because it was sup­posed to win.

   There were a lot of instances on elec­tion day which were meant to pre­vent BNP from win­ning like Bomb blast near Kil­li Ismail Polling sta­tions where BNP had sup­port. Polling in areas where BNP had sup­port was slowed down etc. as far as news chan­nels are con­cerned, every­body knows how much cov­er­age they give to Balochis­tan so its illog­i­cal to ask for such ref­er­ence. Let there be a fair and free elec­tion and see how will PKMAP per­form?

   I must say that you have achieved mas­tery in twist­ing words of oth­ers. I said that BLA and oth­ers don’t rep­re­sent ENTIRE baloch com­mu­ni­ty. You assumed that I have not used the word ENtire and wrote a lengthy and irrel­e­vant expla­na­tion.

   Baloch have always con­demned the killing of Pash­toons at the hands of BLA but par­ties like PKMAP nev­er con­demn the kill and dump­ing of Baloch. May I ask you what ref­er­ence you have for the 892 fig­ure that you have quot­ed? Many inno­cent non-Baloch have died in this con­flict and com­mon Baloch peo­ple con­demn them. Secu­ri­ty forces who oper­ate in Baloch areas are pre­dom­i­nant­ly Pakhtoon but Baloch have nev­er react­ed against local Pash­toons…

   NP is polit­i­cal ally of PKMAP and oppoe­nent of BNP, so how can they not accept the elec­tion results. It won’t take much men­tal trou­ble to know that… If some­one out­side of Balochis­tan says that BNP can get relief from elec­tion tri­bunals then its under­stand­able but peo­ple inside Balochis­tan Know that its pow­er­less against the secret hands who call the shots here. Not only in Balochis­tan but in entire Pak­istan elec­tion tri­bunals have failed in dis­pens­ing jus­tice. Imran Khan still cries about this issue.

   We are divert­ing from out core point. You men­tioned that no Baloch won from Quet­ta imply­ing that Baloch don’t have numer­i­cal strength in Quet­ta. How­ev­er in both PB5 and PB6 the Baloch votes are much more than Pash­toon votes. So there is no point in argu­ing who won and How. Hav­ing said that, These were most rigged elec­tions in his­to­ry of Pak­istan and every­one know that. Those who have won choose to ignore this fact. A foren­sic Audit of Bal­lot papers (which will nev­er hap­pen) will reveal the truth in all over Pak­istan includ­ing Quet­ta..

   Last­ly, You have every right to defend your com­mu­ni­ty and have a dis­sent­ing opin­ion. How­ev­er you must not deny basic facts while doing so. Hope to read your fac­tu­al arti­cles in future.…

7. Cor­rec­tion: In 7th para­graph its PB4 and not PB6